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Civil 3D – Point Style File Size Issue

If you hadn’t noticed (I didn’t), the size of your Civil 3D 2009 drawing will change depending on style factors. 

A buddy of mine questioned me yesterday about some substantial differences related to the size of the drawing he was using, and noted that while he saved his site plan with trees (point styles) on, the drawing was twice the size.

I just tested it.  I took a huge site plan, and saved it with trees on, and saved it with all point styles overridden to standard.  Sure enough, I got a 30% reduction in size.

It appears that the application does not treat the Point style blocks as it treats normal blocks.  Normal blocks are place holders, an entity shell that contains the standard DXF table entries for location, scale…….etc, and then upon regen, it goes to the block table, and pulls the information to display it, where the place holder says it should be.  Instead of saving 40k 1000 times over, it stores 1 40k reference, and stores 1k 1000 times. 

However, for point styles, it appears as though the application is treating the drawing as if it had 1000 different entities, and is storing all the reference information at each point location.

If anyone has additional input, please comment. Christopher, James, Dana, that means you!

April 27, 2009 Posted by | 2009, AutoCAD Civil 3D, Points | , , , , , | 1 Comment

Civil 3D – Point Style Default

I thought I had something on this, but I couldn’t find it.

One reader was having trouble with the default points.  He wanted to do some specific point styling for a specific purpose, but regularly, and to that I offer to following possibilities:

Best Solution –> Description Keys!

Set a permanent Key and use FG perhaps as the description code, and the application will assign the Point Style and Point Label Style as specified in the keys.  This is hard coded to the point.

Next –> Point Groups

Us FG as the description code and crate a Group up at the top to trap all FG codes, and specify the Style and Label Style there.  This is only as permanent as the group remains at the top of the list.

Lastly –> Point Defaults

Set the current default Point and Label style to what you want in the Create Point command settings.  Then all the points you set will default to the FG style.

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April 13, 2009 Posted by | 2009, Points | , , , | 1 Comment

Part 3 of Point Creation Scenario

Check out Part 2 here.

In this discussion I will pick up here where we left off. We will cover Creating Points.
Here we will discuss:

  • Point Creation
  • Point Identity
  • Points created by Station and Offset on a Line
  • Minor adjustment to a Point Label Style
  • Editing Point Properties
  • Description Formatting Continue reading

October 15, 2008 Posted by | Points | , , , , , , , , , , , | 4 Comments

Point Display Control

There are alot of display control questions.  I will post a permanent page on the point architecture, butin the mean time, here is some input on workflow.  See also the Point Cleanup Post.

The terminology tends to get a bit muddy, since there are 2 Label Layers.  For this discussion, the P-MARKER and P-LABEL layers are what is found in the POINT STYLE.  The LABEL layer is what is found in the LABEL STYLE. Continue reading

October 14, 2008 Posted by | AutoCAD Civil 3D | , , , , , | Leave a comment

Point Arrow stop at Marker

How do you stop the Point Label Arrow at the Point Parker?

This question was posted to the Autodesk Discussion groups. Someone was kind enough to answer it there, but I thought a few screen shots would be nice for my group.  Continue reading

October 13, 2008 Posted by | Points | , , , , | Leave a comment

Point Cleanup Mindset

This is the Default point display method we utilize here. This method allows me huge flexibility, and I rarely get that, “oops, I left a point layer on” problem.  This method may not be for you. Perhaps you will still get something out of this post.

This post is for all of my readers that are having troubles with layer inheritance and Legacy mindset. Yes Legacy Mindset is a disease! It can spread. Legacy understanding and memories of how things have evolved is essential. However holding on the methods of 5 years ago will make you unprofitable. 10 years old methods will make you unemployed.  Continue reading

October 10, 2008 Posted by | Points | , , , , , , | Leave a comment

Part 2 of the Point Creation scenario

Point and label styles. Check out Part 1 here.

I needed a Point Style to show 2 different datas on a single location.

Hey! Isn’t that what points styles are for?

Yes sir, that’s right. In this example, I need 2 different elevations. Yeah I know, not rocket science. But for the newbies out there, it might be a bit confusing.

 Through the remainder of this discussions, we will cover the following:

  • Point Styles without blocks
  • Point Label Styles
  • Point and Point Label Display layers  

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October 9, 2008 Posted by | Points | , , , , , , | 1 Comment